. >> woodruff: but house minority leader nancy pelosi fired back that republicans are the ones holding everything up. >> if we were waiting for something, we would say it's well worth the wait. but we're just-- the republicans are just delaying-- just delaying, delaying, delaying, and that's not responsible. >> woodruff: and federal reserve chairman ben bernanke warned again that delay is dangerous. >> well, cleary the fiscal cliff is having affects on the economy, even though we're not yet even reached the point of the fiscal cliff potentially kicking in, it's already affecting biz investment and hiring decisions by creating uncertainty, or creating pessimism. >> woodruff: all of which threatened to cast a pall over the holidays, at the capitol, and just about everywhere else. and that brings us to our continuing series of conversations on this topic. tonight, one of the more outspoken voices against raising taxes. grover norquist is a conservative lobbyist and the president of americans for tax reform. most famously, he's known for getting many elected republicans to sign a pledge to